How discussion
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an efficiency to be gained here
	if you want these students to have this topic
	its not going to help 
	- 3 tier defense
		- there should be a core class -- save covering all of these concepts
		in other courses

		- core defense
			usurp the two intro courses


	nuclear option - no core courses
		- introductory year of java and c++ only, 
		functional, event based programs
			independent of how 

	bigger, more interesting contribution -- to the outside world
		Doug's slides
		get people to want to do not have to do


ACM curricula and its goals
	model of how cs would be taught?
	model of what a cs dept should be able to do?
	intent: 
		emphasize what people are doing at the best places
			- that meets the community's view of what should be taught
			- committee doesn't worry about whether a large number of universities
				are able to teach the topics without hiring new faculty.
	
CS body of knowledge with core topics underlined
1) minimal change 10 OO, 10 functional
	revenue neutral
event-driven
	- recursion is moved into functional
	- event driven into OO and functional
these PL topics are not owned by us, sigplan
	
in one year -- cs3, a PL course, discrete math, 
	intro programming sequence: oo, functional	
Larry -- at the tail end of the process -- will
	take the unanimous vote to the ACM curriculum
	- however, the body will be relunctant to change at this
	late date