What discussion
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Jim Larus presenting


streams, 
small concern: 
	- fleshed out with examples of the objectives/outcomes
		whatever we expect them to do is more than just state definitions
	that is why we have analyze and apply -- avoid circumvention of what our intent is

one of the why groups
	myth: pl is just programming
	- feeds in with this myth -- 
	both are very tied together, not separable, without languages we can't do 

core competency not ones that students have PL
	how well would current students do?  not sure
	function that takes a number and returns it at a string
		most people get it mostly right
		- graded in their ability to see the errors in their work
			with hint is hireable

this knowledge may not be worthwhile just for coding
	- this background becomes important later in the long term
across languages, deeper than an individual language

it does say analyzed and apply

provide a basis for foundations is a vast range of areas 

remove italicized
	- don't want a big target for folks to reject it
	- if ignorant then learn it
	- perhaps if we remove it, we will look more credible (to advise them)
		- don't alienate

	continuation is a standard concept in os and networking (network stacks)
		higher order functions -- slippery slope
	we need to be very careful of staying in a range within which 

	if you take them off, an early 80s curriculum
	
what are the principles that "apply" and "analyze" mean

put this out there and get feedback from our colleagues

anything in italics needs extra justification, argument, and explanation
	continuations -- now are more important -- state why

long past time for it to show up in the curriculum
	emphasize the connections you're talking about

2 bullets would be far more effective
	interpreter/typechecker for a non-trivial language 
	- hard to argue